Comments Received From the Climbing Community | ||
| 16 In Favor, 8 Opposed | ||
| Hard to argue against saving this tree. | ||
| While it may again be hard to argue against saving a tree, as with the other rappel anchor proposals this year, why not put the anchor bolts at eye or waist high above the ledge the tree and climber in the photo are standing on. The bolts are more unsightly in the middle of the face below the tre, but more important to me is again the safty issue of clipping bolts for a belay or esp a rappel that is below the climber's feet.While experieneced climbers may be able to deal with this procedure out of hand, my conern is mostly for beginning to intermediate climbers who must clip in and /or unclip form a belay to get on rappel with an low situated anchor. It's much easier to clip and lean back onto rappel anchors that are at wiast or chest high, and lean back on rappel. Again, I tink it's a great safety issue to replace these tree belays and rappel points with bomber bolts, but also for the sake of safety, the location of the bolts shouls not only be convenient for the leader cliping the belay anchors at the end of a pitch, but also consideration should be given to the anchor location for the rappel take off point. I vote "Yes" for replacing this tree anchor, but I would vote "no" if the anchor is to be placed below the tree and below the ledge, | ||
| I agree with everything said in comment two. I also completely mystified by all the locations of the proposed bolts. Yes put bolts make climbs and raps safe. But think about where you are putting them why make every belay akward. Move it up a few feet and stand on a ledge. I vote yes if it is moved up. | ||
| Bolts are too low onthsi proposal. It's not a sportclimbing park where no one tops out.. | ||
| I too, give a yes vote if moved up. | ||
| the rock is better below the tree (i was there) so go with the proposed placement. the present terminal velocity anchor is in a less accesible place. | ||
| This spot is too low. People will continue to use the tree. They may rap off the anchor, but bolts below the tree will not substantially reduce traffic on the ledge nor abuse to the tree. | ||
| I vote yes as long as the bolts are easily reached from a descent stance/foothold, which as I remember would dictate a higher placement than shown in the pic. | ||
| On this climb I can see why the bolts are placed low and agree that they should be. Maybe just place them high enough to reach by clipping a double runner to the tree. | ||
| Higher on the slab to the right of the tree where the climber is standing looks better, but I haven't been up there in a while and defer to those who have. | ||
| Be sure the bolts are placed so that the tree is not used as a hand hold while setting up the belay. | ||
| Put in bolts, save the tree. Why not? | ||
| I have to vote "No" because the bolts are placed in a bad position; they should be up on the ledge so clipping in and threading the anchor can be done from a stance instead of in the middle of a slab. | ||
| Here's my uptake on why all these proposed bolt anchors seem to be in such wierd locations: One of the emerging trends, not only on sport routes but, on trad routes as well, is to hit the top of the pitch, toss the rope through the anchors and lower to the ground ASAP. Hence, for people climbing in this style, having a comfortable belay location is not a concern. Unfortunately, placing bolts to facilitate this particlular trend fails to encompass other styles of climbing. I, for one, like to have my rope last longer than about 3 weeks so I try to avoid weighted lowering whenever possible and usually belay from the top of the pitch. I cannot support this proposal if the bolts are kept in their present location. | ||
| this is a good idea but the anchors should be higher where one can clip in easily from a stance. the place marked in photo where proposed anchors would go seems more like it was decided on for ease of top-roping. unless the anchors are moved up ,i vote no. | ||
| Once again, the location of this anchor makes no sense! If you were to place the anchor in this position, I think that people would sling the tree in order to lean down and clip the rap anchor. What would be gained? Besides, that tree looks pretty beefy when compared to the rappel model! | ||
| Conditional yes again. What's up with the proposed bolt locations? Move those babies up. | ||
| 437th chorus of "move the bolts up," for easier accessibility, to save the tree, and because this is not a sport park, it's Eldorado. One of the pleasures of climbing here is being able to hang out on a cool ledge at the top of one little ol' pitch. | ||
| Agree totally with comment #2 | ||
| No. Bolts in the wrong place. | ||
| The bolts should be straight above the end of the crack. Nobody would place them on the left if the tree wasn't there- you have to use a directional to keep the rope above the dihedral, since the tree happens to be so far to the left. | ||